That was part of our thinking going in, too. I never understood why you would want to have a story with two heroes fighting when you can have a story with the two of them teaming up and doing something cool. I'm not going to knock the fans who have enjoyed big superhero donnybrooks, but this is just me personally speaking. For me, I watch Batman V Superman and I watch Civil War, and I'm just like, 'I just don't care about superheroes punching other superheroes.' On a visceral level it doesn't appeal that much to me. I came up with Dan Jurgens's Superman and your Flash and Kingdom Come was really seminal. When I was a teenager is when I really got into reading comics I didn't read them as a little kid very much. Kingdom Come being a really formative book for me. I think we would've been reacting to different things if it had been told in a different era. I don't think that book would've had the same feel or impact. I think that, in that sense, it was very much a moment in time.

That was really very much what we were reacting against. Your dad's superheroes, Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman and those old fogies. I don't think so, because a lot of what we were reacting to was the gestalt of the mid-90s in superhero comics, the idea that all of the new characters who were harsh and violent and beating up on each other without a real sense of humanity to them, that somehow those were more popular and more vital than what was perceived as the old fashioned bar.

Kingdom come by mark waid and alex ross